The Families of the late 1500s to the 1600s – founding families

A Century by Century Summary Guide

The late 1500s and the 1600s: Founding Families

A note of disclosure: I am a direct descendant of the Cocker, Furness, Hallam, Mason, Moseley, Pidcock, Sellers, Siddall, and Swift lines from Stoney Middleton, and a descendant of a number of other local families from the Derwent and Hope Valleys. Not surprisingly, in this summary, therefore, you may find more discussion of the families whose histories I personally know best.

A few stray references in wills of the mid to late 1500s, and in parish registers at Baslow and Hathersage in the late 1500s and in the early 1600s, tell us that some of the area’s families, such as the Hallams, date in the village of Stoney Middleton from at least Elizabethan times (and the Masons at least from the reign of James I, if not earlier). It is in the mid-1660s that the bishops’ transcripts of the parish registers of the chapel, now church, of St. Martin, Stoney Middleton, begin, and from this point that we can speak with more certainty about which families were living at Stoney in which centuries.

The Baddaleys (not to be confused with the later Baggaleys–the names are distinct) started in Stoney in the 1600s; they would only last til the mid-1700s when one of the last daughters of the house, Mary (1733-1759) married incomer William Richardson (who would father, by his second marriage to Elizabeth Howard, a line of the Richardson family, whose men were miners and labourers, that lasted until the mid-1800s at Stoney).  Mary (Baddaley) Richardson died young after leaving only one daughter.  But the Baddaleys will live on forever thanks to the tragic fate of Mary’s youngest sister, the lovelorn Hannah Baddaley, who in the mid-1700s jumped off the cliff now called Lover’s Leap in Middleton Dale, suicidal, the legends report, after having had her heart broken by one William Barnsley, a young man also from the village.  Hannah survived when her skirts billowed out around her and served as a sort of parachute; she miraculously had no life-threatening injuries.  Whether from shame, mental illness, lingering disability from injuries sustained in her fall, or a combination of some or all of these reasons, Hannah apparently was something of a recluse thereafter, and she died only a few years later, still unmarried.  The Baddeley wives included women from the Froggatt and Townsend families (the latter originating in Bretton).

The Barnsleys, ancestors and family of the jilting William, were originally from Eyam, but soon settled at Stoney.  Favouring the male names William and John, they lasted into the early 1800s, when father and son John Barnsleys, the last of the name in the town, died within weeks of each other.  The Barnsleys took brides from the Siddall family, and also from the Hallams, from an obscure family of Halls, as well as from the last of the Boardman family, a small family that ended in Stoney in the very early 1700s.

The Barbers, descendants of the Hallams and Mathers, were in Stoney from at least the latter half of the seventeenth century.  Favouring the male names George, Edward, Joseph, and John, and the women’s names Hannah, Martha, and Rebecca, the Barbers continued in direct line through the later 1800s before leaving the village behind for Manchester and other larger towns.  They intermarried with the Hallams and Swifts of Stoney Middleton and with the Outrams of the Grindleford area and also with a Sellers family at Great Longstone.

The Bradburys (the name was also spelt Bridbury, among other renderings) were at Stoney Middleton at least since the early 1600s.  Marrying women from the Barber, Birtles, Daniel, and Swift families, the Bradburys died out in male line in 1724 with death of Randle Bradbury, whose five sons John, Joseph, Henry, Benjamin, and Randell appear to have left the area.  Bradbury daughters married several times into the Bamford and Stevenson families at Stoney Middleton.

The Brands included schoolmaster Henry Brand (also a singer in the St. Martin’s male choir in 1717) and their roots at Stoney Middleton go back to the later 1600s at least.  The male line of the Brands, who favoured the men’s names Benjamin and Henry, and whose women were characterized by the distinctive given name of Philadelphia, terminated in the male line at Stoney Middleton by the mid-1700s, but lived on at Stoney in  their descendants, the Chapmans.

The Daniel family was concentrated in Eyam, where 250 years later they would produce Eyam Plague historian (and inspiration for the Eyam Museum) Clarence Daniel.  However, in the 1600s, the Daniel family also had a branch at Stoney Middleton, the Stoney branch favouring the male names John, Thomas, and Cornelius, and woman’s name Elizabeth. The Stoney Middleton Daniel family died out in male line after sending several sons to apprentice as cutlers in Sheffield.  Similarly, the Brough, Birtles, and Brittlebank families disappear by the early 1700s at Stoney, but in the case of the Brittlebanks founded a long-standing family who baptised and buried at Eyam well into the 1800s.  The Broughs were maternal ancestors of a small family of Halls at Eyam, and Birtles daughters married into the Bradbury family of Stoney Middleton, the Needhams of Great Longstone, and one branch of the Slinn family at Goatscliffe.

Other families at Stoney in the 1600s included the wealthy Capps and Ashton families (Robert Ashton was seventeenth century sheriff of Derbyshire).  The Capps men died out after producing a famous boxer called William (which was also the preferred name for Capps men, as Elizabeth was favoured for the women).  The Ashtons, partial to the names Robert and Benjamin, left Stoney Middleton for other properties by the start of the 1700s.  The Fynneys were a wealthy Great Longstone family who branched into Stoney Middleton and were the ancestors of the Lords Denman at Stoney Middleton Hall (the Denmans in the male line originated in the market town of Bakewell–the most famous of the Denmans defended Caroline of Brunswick, estranged wife of George IV, when she was fighting for her royal rights in 1821 at the time of her husband’s accession to the British throne).  The Denmans are probably the only Stoney Middleton-based family to be in Burke’s Peerage well into the 20th century.

The Deplidge and Echus families died out by the early 1700s in the male line, but contributed to the ancestry of the Mason family, and in the case of the Echus family, to the ancestry of one branch of the Thornhills.  Alice Deplidge, the only one of a set of sisters to have a definite marriage and children, married in 1745 Thomas Shepard, a scion of the Hallams of Stoney Middleton.  In the 1700s, the Shepards would go on to marry into one family of Fletchers, as well as back into the Hallams, and into the unrelated Hallams of Calver and into the Gregory family of Calver and the Thornhills of Stoney Middleton.

The Fletchers, who also had a branch at Toadpool, near Froggatt, survived in male line through the later 1700s.   John Fletcher and Mary Hallam, both of Stoney Middleton, married in the late 1600s when both were teenagers, and proceeded to have a large family.  Daughters Hannah, Elizabeth, Mary, and Sarah married into the Wilson family of Eyam; the Baggaley and Mason families of Stoney Middleton;  the Thornhill family of Stoney Middleton; and the Hudson family of Tideswell.  Son Henry married Lydia Bamford  of Stoney, and their two sons Henry Fletcher junior (married Catherine Cheney of Ashford) and John Fletcher (married Mary Olliver of Foolow, then widowed Ellen (Hill) Pidcock of Stoney Middleton) continued the Fletcher line; however, these two last Fletcher brothers’ greatest contribution to Stoney genealogy was through their respective daughters, Elizabeth and Mary Fletcher, who by their marriages to  brothers John and to Cornelius Chapman of Stoney Middleton, gave rise to two branches of the Chapman family at Stoney.  The Chapmans were originally found at Eyam and had documented ancestors, the Stainrods and Skargells, from Sheffield).  The Chapmans, who favoured the given names John, Cornelius, Daniel, and Thomas, endured through the 1800s.  The Fletchers, through the Chapmans, also became ancestors to numerous other local families.  The man’s name “Daniel” running through the Chapman family reflects a documented descent from the Daniel family at Eyam.  The woman’s name Philadelphia among the Chapmans comes from a probable descent from the Brand family of Stoney Middleton.  The first John Fletcher’s sister, Dorothy, married into the Baxter family at Great Longstone, and the Fletchers also married into the wealthy Sharp family of Edensor and Stoney Middleton.

The Frosts were present at Stoney from the 1600s and lasted in the male line through the mid-1700s.  They favoured the male names George and occasionally Jonathan and William.  Their daughters were distinguished by names like Emmott, Dorothy, Sarah, and Elizabeth.   Other Frost families were at Wardlow, Grindlow, and Calver–it is unclear how all these families were related if at all (though the later Frosts at Calver appear to descend from those at Great Longstone and Wardlow).  The Frosts at Stoney Middleton married into the Hallams of Stoney Middleton, among other lines.

Among the earliest families at Stoney who have continued in the male line to the present day in the village were the Hallams and the Masons. The Hallams were initially lead miners, then came above ground to become grocers, farmer, and ultimately keepers of the Stag’s Head public house at Stoney.  The office of chapel warden, or sexton, of St. Martin’s also seems to have been almost hereditary in the family:  at least five generations of Hallam men served in the role at St. Martin’s from the early 1700s through the mid-1800s.   Illustrious descendants include Joseph Hallam, the mayor of Sheffield in the 1870s.  Interestingly, the Hallams were also a very devout and musical family–the 1717 extant choir list of Stoney Middleton is made up mostly of Hallam men, singing all four vocal parts:  bass, tenor, countertenor, and boy treble.  The Hallams favoured the male names Benjamin, Cornelius, Francis, Gervas, John, Jonathan, Joseph, and Thomas.  The female name Esther can be traced through various female lines descended from the first Esther Hallam, and the Hallams were also partial to the women’s names Ann, Mary, Martha, Elizabeth, Hannah, and Sarah.  The Hallams were ancestors of many of the other families at Stoney Middleton.  Hallam men married into many area families including: the Shepards and the Skidmores of Eyam; the Mortens of Brosterfield; the Broomheads, Buxtons Gregorys, Hewards, and Taylors of Calver; the Halls of Tideswell; and the Cockers and Sellers of Stoney Middleton.  Hallam daughters married into many area families including: the Whites of Stoke and Calver; the Furness of Eyam and Great Longstone; the Lomas’s of Ashford; the Wardles of Hartington; the Shepherds of Norton; the Baggaleys, Cockers, Fletchers, Hancocks, Heginbothams, and Sellers of Stoney Middleton; the Marples and Marsdens of Baslow; the Bettneys and Leylands of Calver; the Moseleys of Stoke; the Bartons of Rowland; and the Thornhills of Wardlow and Stoney Middleton.  This writer has done extensive research on the Hallams.  The surname Hallam means “dweller at the nooks” or “dwellers at the rocks or slopes”.

The Haslams, a distinct family from the Hallams, favoured the male names Nicholas, Dennis, George, and Richard.  The Haslam male line ended by the mid-1700s, but Martha Haslam married into the Sellers family and her half-sister Elizabeth Haslam into the Handley family, and the pair were ancestors to many Stoney families.  The surname Haslam means “dweller at the hazel trees.”

The Hinches were “there and back again”, starting off in Stoney, then going to Winster and Ockbrook, before returning to Stoney in the mid-1700s, and in the 1800s branching out to Fairfield.  They were distinguished by their use of the names Ralph and Philip in addition to the more common George, William, and Thomas.  They married into the Baggaley, Mason and Hancock families, among others, in the 1800s.  There were Hinches in the Stoney Middleton area into the twentieth century.

The Howsons (also spelt Hughson, Hewson, and Hoosen) were a somewhat shadowy line whose branches can only be connected with much detective work and some helpful seventeenth century wills.  The family continued at Stoney through the 1700s, and favoured the men’s names Thomas and Robert.  The Bamfords similarly are bit hard to connect, but existed in various branches into the 1700s and contributed daughters as brides to a number of local Stoney Middleton male lines, including the Cockers and Fletchers.  Bamford men were often called William and Bamford women were often called Mary (confusingly so, as Bamford generations can be a bit difficult to distinguish).

The Mather family were descended from the marriage of Robert Mather senior and Frances Hallam of Stoney Middleton in the mid-1600s.  They had only one childless son, Robert junior, but a large number of daughters from whom descended the Barbers and Walkers of Stoney Middleton, and also the King and Marsden families of Baslow.

Unlike the Hallams, who had many sons, the Masons inched along with a single surviving son in several generations through the 1600s, then sired multiple male lines from the mid-1700s on.  The Masons have worked in a number of trades and have contributed a mid-1800s Lancashire Member of Parliament (Hugh Mason) in addition to many local figures of note.  The Masons favoured the male names George and Thomas (in alternating generations throughout the 1600s), and later added the names Robert and Amos as well as Henry and John (the latter two possibly legacies from a posited marriage with the Fletcher family).  Mason men married women from the Beeley, Echus, Fletcher, and Moseley families of Stoney Middleton, the Naden family of Eyam, the Outrams of Grindleford, the Crooks of Great Longstone, and the Crowshaws of Bakewell.  Mason daughters have married into Eaton family at Eyam, and into the Hancocks and Moseleys of Stoney Middleton.  Ms. Janet M. Kirk, nee Hancock, and the late Mr. Antony “Tony” Mason are probably the premier chroniclers of the Masons to date.

Soon gone in the male line, the Ragg family, who favoured the male name Dennis, was prominent in Stoney Middleton in the 1600s.  They were involved in mining, and were related to the wealthy White family.  Dennis Ragg’s daughter Gertrude was the first, childless, wife of Matthew Furness of Stoney Middleton.

Favouring the men’s names Richard and Nicholas, and the women’s names Rebecca, Ruth, and Sarah, the Rogers family was only extant in Stoney Middleton in the 1600s.  They intermarried and continued on in the Gregory family at Calver, among other lines.

The Sharp family were fairly wealthy and prominent in the late 1600s in Stoney Middleton.  Favouring the male names Alexander, Francis, Benjamin, John, and Thomas, they married into the Thornhill family, among others, and disappear in male line at Stoney by the 1770s.

The Somerset family  split into branches at Grindleford and at Stoney Middleton, and wins the award for the most spelling variations–Somerset, Sumerset, Sommerscales, Somers, Summersaw, among a number of others.  The family also spread out beyond Stoney and Grindleford, with branches in more distant parishes like Hope.  The Somerset family is responsible for the presence of the man’s name Gervas (or Jarvis) at Stoney Middleton, and may have also contributed the name Gervas to the Hallams.  The Somersets also favoured the male names John and Nathaniel, and the woman’s names Jane, Hannah, and Rebecca.  Ms. Rosemary R. Lockie, nee Goddard, has done some of the most extensive work to date on the Somersets.

The Stevensons present in the male line at Stoney Middleton from the late 1600s through the early 1700s.  They married women from the Bradbury family, and from the obscure Olding family, and Stevenson daughters married into the Haslam, Jeffrey, and Milner families, among others.  The Stevenson men tended to use the given names Henry and Richard, and the women were often called Elizabeth and Ruth.

The Swifts, whose men were frequently called George, Thomas, John, Robert, or Abraham, were present in Stoney from at least the early 1600s.  They later were also fond of the given male name Philemon, a legacy of a marriage with a Mainwaring from Cheshire.  Swift women favoured the names Margaret, Sarah, Jane, and Deborah.  Later Swift women were also called Fanny, Hannah, and Ann.  George Swift’s sons founded male lines that continued at Stoney through early Victorian times before the Swift men departed for Sheffield and Manchester.  Swift daughters married into the Siddall family of Grindleford Bridge and Goatscliffe and into the Oliver family of Froggatt.  Swifts have intermarried with the Hinch, Hallam, Marshall, and Moseley families of Stoney Middleton, among others.  Ms. Rosemary R. Lockie, nee Goddard, and Ms. Jill Sanders, nee Swift, have done extensive Swift research.

Siddalls continued in male line at Stoney Middleton into the late 1700s and were part of an enormous network of Siddalls in Hathersage, Stoney Middleton, Eyam, Grindleford and Goatscliffe, Curbar, and Baslow all of whom descended from three of the four marriages of long-lived and prolific Godfrey Siddall of the parish of Hathersage in the last half of the 1600s. The Siddalls were known recusant Catholics in the earlier 1600s; several were fined for not coming to Church of England services, though the family were staunch Protestants by several generations later.  A branch of the Siddall family included famous Eyam Plague victim Emmott Siddall, whose death, in the many stories and legends told  about the Eyam Plague, left behind her broken-hearted suitor Rowland Torr (interestingly, the Torrs have only a passing presence in seventeenth century Stoney Middleton, and the bishops’ transcripts have no record at all of a Rowland Torr). Siddalls favoured some rather colorful men’s personal names, including Boniface, Godfrey, and Abraham, as well as the more common George, James, John, Samuel, and William.  Women were often called Sarah, Deborah, Hannah, and Ann.  Stoney Middleton Siddalls intermarried with the Pidcock and Sellers families of Stoney Middleton, and with the Gregorys of Eyam,  and with the Goodwins of Sheldon, among others.  This writer has done extensive Siddall research.

Several branches of Olivers were baptised and buried at Stoney Middleton.  At least one branch also used the surname Lucas and were descended from the Froggatt family of the hamlet of the same name.  Many Olivers were based up the road from Stoney Middleton in Grindleford and/or Froggatt.  Male Olivers favoured the given names Christopher, Daniel, John, and Samuel.  Two Olivers married daughters of George Swift, the first Swift recorded at Stoney Middleton.  One Oliver widow was famous early 19th century murder victim Hannah (   ) Oliver, tollhouse keeper at Wardlow Mires and killed for a pair of shoes by Anthony Lingard of Litton, the last man publicly gibbeted in Derbyshire.  Ms. Jennifer (Froggatt) Nicholas is one of the premiere researchers of the Oliver/Lucas families.

Among the other seventeenth century families no longer extant at Stoney in the male line are the Thornhills.  Once prolific at Stoney, the Thornhills also expanded to include several branches at Wardlow.  Interestingly, the Thornhills changed surnames several times.  Apparently recusant Catholics in the mid-1600s, they also used the alias Skinner, and were originally actually called “Thornley” or “Thornhilley”.  They may have adapted the spelling “Thornhill” to sound more like a posh family of men called John and Bache Thornhill who resided in eighteenth century Derbyshire.  The Thornhills  at Stoney Middleton typically used the male names John, George, Joseph, Joshua, and Robert.  The female name Dorothy carries through the family, as does the name Rebecca.  The Thornhill male line died out in the late 1700s (the family remains represented in the descendants of numerous daughters).  Thornhills married with women from the Ellis and Ingman families at Baslow, as well as from the Redferns of Grindleford, the Barbers, Cockers, Fletchers, Frosts, Hallams, Hills, Shephards,  Siddalls  and Walkers of Stoney Middleton, the James’s of Grindlow and Wardlow, the Halls of Tideswell, and the Savilles of Eyam.  Thornhill women married into the Parker family of Curbar; the Cockers, Goddards, Sellers, and Swifts of Stoney Middleton; the Savilles of Eyam; and the Broadhursts of Bakewell and Stoney Middleton.  One branch of the Thornhills moved to London in the early 1800s and became fairly affluent.  The relationship of the Thornley/Thornhills of Stoney Middleton to those found in the parishes of Eyam, Great Longstone, Hathersage, and Hope, if any such relationship existed, has not yet been established, and may predate extant sixteenth and seventeenth century records.  Acknowledged Thornhill experts included Ms. Prudence Buckle, Mr. Clive Allen, and the late Mr. Len Thornhill.  This writer has also done extensive Thornhill research.

The Sellers family also were apparently Catholics in hiding at one point, using the name Cowper or Cooper, before settling on Sellers (also spelt “Sellars” and “Sellors”–unusually, all three variants have survived into the 21st century).  The Sellers family was numerous in Stoney Middleton in the 1700s, but their male line ended in the mid-1800s, as surviving Sellers men moved away to places like Manchester.  The Sellers family utilised the male names John, Joseph, Joshua, Matthew, and, especially, Roger.  The names Sampson, Isaac, and Edward (the latter two among a branch of the family that settled in Eyam) are also found amongst the Sellers.  The woman’s names Hannah, Ann, Elizabeth, and Margaret are s very prominent among Sellers women.  Sellers men married women of the Broadhurst, Cocker,  Hallam,  Haslam, Mason, Siddall, Thornhill  and Walker families of Stoney Middleton; the Blackwells of Foolow; and the Epinstones and Hardys of Eyam.  The Sellers of Stoney Middleton were seemingly related to the Sellers at Calver, also alias Cowper, but apparently not to those Sellers/Sellars at Wardlow and Great Longstone.  Sellers descendants include one notorious scion, the unpleasant Edward Wager of Great Longstone, who was divorced by his first wife, Harriet (Machin) Wager, for cruelty, then killed his second wife Harriet (Bland) (Oliver) Wager, and was transported for life for his crime to Australia.  Several Sellers descendants were also witnesses at Edward Wager’s trial.  Ms. Rosemary R. Lockie, nee Goddard, and this writer have both studied the Sellers’s extensively.

The name Swindell was common in the Hope and Derwent valleys.  A branch existed at Stoney Middleton at least from the late 1600s.  Men in the family favoured the names George, William, Joseph, and Benjamin.  Women were often called Mary, Esther, or Elizabeth.  The Swindells married women from the Bowman family of Monyash and Youlgreave (who were Quakers of long standing before being rebaptised in the Church of England), other Swindells from Dronfield, Moseleys from Grindleford Bridge and Stoney Middleton, and Sellers from Stoney Middleton.  The male Swindell line ended at Stoney Middleton in the early 1900s.

One branch of a wealthy White family  died out in the late 1600s, though left some helpful seventeenth century wills that detail and suggest their connections to the Ragg family of  Stoney Middleton and to the Froggatts of Bubnell and Stoke.  Other Whites survived at Stoke for generations, and were the forebears of most area families called White over the next two centuries, including those at Goatscliffe, Grindleford, Stoney Middleton, and Tadgeness, among others.  Samuel and Frederick White, were an uncle and nephew who married an aunt and niece of Stoney Middleton both called Ann Hallam.  The Whites of Stoke, Stoney Middleton, and Eyam favoured the male names Samuel, Sampson, George, Robert, Joseph, and John.  Women were often called Ann, Elizabeth, and Gertrude.


  • Michelle Cook says:

    Im a descendent of the siddalls and would be very interested in your research. My grandmother was Barbara Siddall who descended from Godfridus Siddall born 1700 who you mention in this article.

  • Glenn Trezza says:

    Hi, Ms Cook,
    do you have some specific questions? I can look through my stuff and see if there’s any information available to try to answer an inquiry about your Siddalls. Best wishes, Glenn T.

  • Joanna Heath says:

    I am very interested in the Sellers family, my 5 x Great Grandparents John Sellars and Ruth Barnes married in Calver in 1766. Their children were born in Baslow.

    • Glenn Trezza says:

      Dear Ms. Heath,
      The Sellers at Calver were related but ultimately a fairly separate lot from those at Stoney. I have some notes on the John Sellers who married Ruth Barnes. I’ll look those up for you and get back to you re: same.
      Best, Glenn T.

      • Joanna Heath says:

        Thanks Glenn

      • Tim Sellars says:

        Is there any connection to the Sellors familys of Tideswell nd Litton. I am descended from Joseph Sellors who married Mary Oven in 1795 @ Tideswell. Some of the names like Roger, Thomas and William are numerous in my line.

  • Kelly says:

    Hello. I am tracing the King family of Baslow as my ancestor Joshua Gregory married Elizabeth King in 1770. Have you any definitive information on the ancestors of the Kings of this parish? You mention them being descended from Robert Mather but I have been unsuccessful finding anything online. Thank you.

  • Glenn Trezza says:

    Robert Mather’s will lists his daughter Joan, who married an early King. There were two sets of Kings at Baslow and Bubnell, both probably cousins of each other. One line are Mather descendants (those that descend from Joan Mather’s marriage to John King, the other are not (descendants of the marriage of Richard King and Lydia Cantrell). Based on whose families were having children when, my best surmise is that Elizabeth King (cl 1748-1800), who married Joshua Gregory was probably an eldest child of John King of Bubnell 1715/6-1780 by his wife Mary ( ), married circa 1746, died 1797. John King d. 1780 was in turn son of Robert King 1683-1764 and his wife Anne Marsden of Baslow 1691-1771, and Robert King was third child of the known children of the 1674 marriage of John King of Bubnell and of Joan Mather of Stoney Middleton. Everything down to John King 1715/6-1780 is known from the Baslow parish register. The placement of Elizabeth (King) Gregory is speculative at the moment, but so far it’s the best guess in terms of chronology.
    Best, Glenn T.

    • Kelly says:

      I’ve only just found your reply, sorry for the delay. Thank you for your thoughtful and informative response Glenn, much appreciated.



  • Jennifer Nicholas says:

    Re the Lucas Olivers. The evidence for them is found in the Froggatt family collections documents held by the Derbyshire Record Office and in a 1626 will. After 1622 they own a considerable amount of land and property in Froggatt There is a land and property sale in 1639 and the name Lucas Oliver is only found after that in Chesterfield. Documentary evidence shows Olivers in Froggatt after that and they seem to be related to Elizabeth Oliver widow of Stoney Middleton. Nothing is known about Elizabeth or her husband.

    • J Nicholas says:

      I refer to this extract from the main article above.”Several branches of Olivers were baptised and buried at Stoney Middleton. At least one branch also used the surname Lucas and were descended from the Froggatt family of the hamlet of the same name. Many Olivers were based up the road from Stoney Middleton in Grindleford and/or Froggat.”

      The Lucas Olivers were not a branch of the Oliver Family. Their surname was Lucas and as many families did when their mother married again after the death of a previous husband they added the name of the second husband. Their mother was married first to Mr Lucas of Grindleford then to a Mr Oliver. There is no evidence so far that there were any children from the marriage to Mr Oliver. Correction to my statement that there were no Lucas Olivers in Froggatt after 1639 – after searching the original Baslow Parish Registers we have found a 1670s burial for a Mrs Susannah Lucas Oliver of Froggatt. Her husband was Anthony.
      Further to clarify , It would be wrong to describe me as a Premier researcher. I am part of a group of researchers who enjoy researching family and local history from original documents and sharing their findings. I have a certificate to say that I undertaken a piece of research that fulfills the standards required by a University panel. That is why I am concerned to ensure that anything here that could be attributed to me is correct and can be verified from original documentary evidence and is not a guess from a Parish Register transcript

  • Selina Baggaley says:

    I am tracing the Baggaley family of Stoney Middleton. My ancestor was John Baggaley 1879-1961 who married Selina Slater 1877-1962. I am trying to find information on a John Baggaley who was my 4 x great grandfather who was born in 1747.

  • Glenn Trezza says:

    Hi, Selina,
    John Baggaley 1879-1961, mar 1916 Selina Slater of Tideswell 1877-1962, son of John Baggaley 1838-1887, mar 1874 Mary Martha Hallam 1855-1923 (later married 2ndly Frederick Stockdale Hallam of SM). John b. 1838, son of John Baggaly 1805-1861, mar circa 1828 Mary Siddall of SM 1807-1872 (elder sister of my 3-greats-grandmother!). John b. 1805, son of John Baggaly 1775-1837, mar 1794 Deborah Hinch of SM c. 1774-1849. John born 1775 son of James Baggaley of SM 1733/4-1795, mar 1755 Elizabeth Harris of SM c. 1734-1805. James b. 1733/4 son of James Baggaley of Calver 1700-1733, mar 1725 Elizabeth Fletcher of SM 1702-1771 (mar 2ndly 1738 Robert Mason of SM 1702/3-1763). Elizabeth is referenced in my comments on the Fletcher family in the families of the 1600s section. She’s a first cousin of my 7-greats-grandfather Joseph Hallam. So we’re cousins twice of over! Best wishes, Glenn T.

  • Selina Baggaley says:

    Hi Glenn,
    Thank you for your reply. It has been most helpful. Do you know anything about Mary Siddall? Her mother was Ann Siddall from Matlock, I think she was a illegitimate child? Can you email directly.
    Kindest Regards

    • Glenn Trezza says:

      Hi, Selina, happy to email you but for some reason the function that let’s me now see emails didn’t work for your replies. Can you send your email to the “Contact Us” link on the SMHCCG website and I’ll contact you directly once the webmasters send me your email?
      Best, Glenn T.

  • Bev Sierpina says:

    My Oliver family, John Oliver and Sarah Grant, lived in Grindleford Bridge and are buried at Stoney Middleton. John (c. 1730’s to 1811) was either the son of Samuel Oliver and Ann Froggatt or William Oliver and Sarah Worrall. I lean toward Samuel, but in either case, as Samuel and William appear to have been brothers, probably his grandfather was Daniel Oliver of Froggatt who died Jan 1742/3. (I also have a tenuous DNA match with another FROGGATT researcher.)
    I value this surname study of the area. Thank you.

  • Bev Sierpina says:

    Although not a Stoney Middleton family, I see a reference to the TOWNSENDS of Bretton. There is a good chance that is a family I am descended from. Any contacts with similar interest, please get in touch.

    • Janice Longden says:

      My husband is descended from the Townsends of Bretton. Look forward to hearing from you.

      • Bev Sierpina says:

        Janice, I am sorry for the very later reply. I lost my link to this page and just never got back to it. My ancestor Mary Townsend was born to a Francis in about 1785. No baptism found. For years I thought she was of the Hope Parish branch, but in the some non-conformist registers of her children in Stockport she says in one that her father was Francis Townsend of “Eme” and in another “of Tidswell” . There were a few wills of Townsends of Bretton in which Francis was named in the negative!
        My e-mail is and would be happy to answer you there as I do not want to gum up posts here with parishes outside of Stony.

  • Jennifer Nicholas says:

    Bev Sierpina re your Oliver family of Grindleford Bridge and the Froggatts. The Derbyshire Record Office has a 1609 document D3331/7/2 concerning the sale of 540 acres of land and 6 properties by Ann Lucas Oliver of Grindleford and her father Thomas Froggatt of Froggatt to Edward Worthington and Nicholas Redfearne
    Thomas is my great uncle x 9. I have a copies of a 1626 will and a land sale document dated 1639 that have Lucas Olivers mentioned. In the 1639 document Ann Lucas Oliver’s son Robert is selling up and moving to Chesterfield. I would be very interested in the connection between them and your Olivers of Grindleford Bridge, Stony Middleton and Froggatt. It might tie up a few loose ends. There were two distinct families the Lucas Olivers and I think the Drabble Olivers I have had many a good lunch at the Moon Inn in Stony Middleton and I know Grindleford very well. As I am in touch with most of the Froggatts doing research actually in England I am quite curious as to the identity of your Froggatt researcher and your tenuous DNA match.

    • Bev Sierpina says:

      Hi Jennifer,
      Thank you for your note. My reply is late as I lost the thread and how to access it. Just decided this morning to do an advanced google search and found it!
      I am still stuck with determining the parentage of my John Oliver in the Grindleford area. The fact that the family seems to use Eyam for baptisms and Stoney Middleton for burials is curious. The possible link with Froggatts was found through the will of Thomas Froggatt of Marylebone, London in 1770 in which he names his sister Ann Oliver and 5 of her children, one of whom is John.
      The tenuous match was distant, I will give you more info if you e-mail me.

  • Jennifer Nicholas says:

    Bev Serpina. If you sign in to Family Search you can look at many original Derbyshire parish registers
    I have seen the entry for Samuel Oliver son of Daniel Oliver of Froggatt 1702
    Baslow and Bakewell are there but not Stony Middleton

  • Alma-Rose Siddall says:

    Hi, I am related to Siddall’s from Hull, East-Riding, West Witton, Yorkshire England, was wondering if you can tell me, if the Siddall’s mentioned in this article are related to our Siddall’s?

    • Glenn Trezza says:

      Hi, Ms. Siddall, not as far as I know–sorry I’ve no information for you on Siddalls from Hull. Hope you can find out more about them.

  • Rae Martin (Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada) says:

    Hello Glenn.

    I am related to the Siddall’s. My maternal Grandmother was Georgina Siddall of Curbar 1985 and passed away in Port Arthur (aka Thunder Bay) Ontario, Canada in 1969. My Siddall line is as follows:

    Abraham (Curbar 1858-1928) & Florence Ann Harris
    Daniel (Baslow 1811-1871) & Martha Browne
    Abraham (illegitimate Eyam 1780- ?) & Ann Barrett

    **Abraham of 1780…his father was William Willis (Eyam 1751-1817) and mother was Ann Syddall (Eyam 1760)**

    Ann Syddall (Eyam 1760) father was James Syddall (Goutcliffe, Hope 1736) & Mary ?? (Death 1765 Grindleford Bridge)
    Abraham Syddall (illegitimate 1712 Grindleford Bridge) & Mary ??

    Abraham (1712 Grindleford Bridge) Mother is Sarah Siddall

    Whew! 🙂 Finally, Glenn, my questions are:
    * Would you know who Ann Syddall (Eyam 1760 married, if she did? She didn’t marry William Willis. He married Abigail Hadfield (Grindleford Bridge 1720-1793)

    * Would you know the surname of Mary, who married James Syddall (born 1736 Goutcliffe, Hope) and the date of their marriage?

    *Would you know the name of the father of Abraham Syddall (illegitimate 1712, Grindleford Bridge) and mother’s name Sarah Siddall?

    The above Sarah Siddall is the earliest Siddall I have. I was wondering if you might have any information on my Siddall/Syddall family prior to Sarah, born c1694?

    I have a picture of William Henry Siddall, Lay Preacher and brother to my Gr. Grandfather Abraham, b1858, Curbar. It was William Henry’s 90th birthday (1852-1944 Curbar) and some of the surnames of the people in the picture are:
    Askey, Daniel, Scriver, Carter, Gladwin, Wilson, Furness, Holmes, Morton, Fletcher, Nuttall, Bowring, Wragg, Hallam, Allen, Middleton.

    Thank You so much for any information you may be able to provide. It is so very much appreciated.

    • Jessica says:

      Just a quick note. The William Willis who married Abigail Hadfield was actually the father of William Willis (1751-). William and Abigail are also ancestors of mine.

      Also, if you haven’t already, check out They have a lot of records from the Eyam area, and they have more details than

      • Rae Martin (Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada) says:

        Hi Jessica…..I just by chance saw your reply to me.

        In my records I have William Willis 1751- 1817 (Eyam) the father to Abraham Siddall b 1780.

        I have William Willis’ father, William Willis 1720 – 1800 (Eyam) marrying Abigail Hadfield (Grindleford Bridge) 1720 and dying 1793 in Eyam.

        I have Joseph Willis 1671 (Stoney Middleton) the father of William Willis (1720).

  • Rae Martin, Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada says:

    Hello, again, Glenn.

    Sorry….I was reading over what I just sent to you about my Curbar Siddall’s. Correction is my maternal Grandmother Georgina Siddall was born 1885 and passed away in 1969 in Port Arthur (aka Thunder Bay), Ontario, Canada.

    I apologize for the mistake.

  • Rae Martin says:

    Hi Glenn! Just watching the TV about Trump becoming the 45th President of the USA! I have loved him since the 80’s so was very excited to see that he won. What I am messaging you about is that I apologize about not sending the picture of Wm. Henry’s 90th Birthday. I tried scanning it but it said that the scanner is not connected to the computer???? I am sorry, I am so technically challenged. If you wouldn’t mind emailing me your address, I will get it copied and mail it to you via snail-mail? If you do not feel comfortable in doing this, I could go to an outlet and have them send it to you??? Whichever you prefer, Glenn. Please accept my apologies for the delay in sending same.

  • Stephen Cook says:

    Hi, very interesting. Have you any knowledge of Richard Loader Furness of Eyam 1559 – 1607 who is my 9 x grand father? Thanks Steve

  • Glenn Trezza says:

    Dear Mr. Cook,
    I have never heard Richard Furness be given a 2nd name of “Loader”, but I do know of Richard Furness d. 1607 who left a will, as did his widow, Elizabeth ( ) Furness, d. 1628 (don’t have exact dates in front of me) her will dictated or “noncupative”. Their son Richard Furness Jr. built “The Olde House”, the ancestral Furness family home, in Eyam. Their daughter, Anne Furness Bennett Gregory (one of three daughters that are known) was my direct ancestor, so we’re probably very distant cousins, too.. Best wishes, Glenn T.

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  • faith gee says:

    I was wandering if you have any information on the godby family linieage. Godbey was godby back then. They spelled it so many different ways though but are all related. I’m doing my godbey/godby family research. My mom’s maiden name is godbey

  • faith gee says:

    Also my main question is a thomas godby came over to america on the ship deliverence from Falmouth england. I’m 1608/9. But before that I can’t find any info on him except that he was born in england in 1587. I’ve hit a road block. Need help plz. If you can.

  • shirley says:

    I’m interested in Ann Sellers married Robert Marshall 1600’s . Charlemont Ireland is where they got married

  • Martin Boardman says:

    Hi I have just read your article about the family’s of stoney and tideswell. And I am a Boardman from the Boardman/Marshell (tideswell) descent you made a point that the Boardman died out or moved away I did trace family to castleton and there the involvement in the Hall and rouse family’s then through to Chinlley and on to Glossop where the Boardman family set up the blacksmith as there were in castelton the Boardman/ Marshall is on my fathers side and Boardman/ Holland on my mother side. Do you have any information history on the family’s

  • Gill Wheatley says:

    Fascinating reading! I have done some research on the Bowlers in Baslow, who were connected to Bette Worrall (she married Christopher Bowler of Baslow). I am descended from their son Sampson Bowler. I am very new to the history of Stoney Middleton. Some details mention Stonebroom as her place of birth. Do you have any information please? I would be very grateful. Bette Worrall was the daughter of Jonathan Worrall and Ann Needham. I know very little of the Worralls or the Needhams at present.
    Kind regards, Gill

  • Steve Madrid says:

    I would like to know more about the Madrid families that were in Mexico in 1600-1700. There were Salvador, Sebastian (son) etc. I am told of a Roque Madrid in the late 1600″s that may be related. I was instructed to look at a book written by a Catholic Priest on the prominent families of Mexico. I cannot locate such a book.

    Steve Madrid

  • Steve Madrid says:

    I would like to know more about the Madrid families that were in Mexico in 1600-1700. There were Salvador, Sebastian (son) etc. I am told of a Roque Madrid in the late 1600″s that may be related. I was instructed to look at a book written by a Catholic Priest on the prominent families of Mexico. I cannot locate such a book.

    Steve Madrid

  • Steve Madrid says:

    I would like to know more about the Madrid families that were in Mexico in 1600-1700. There were Salvador, Sebastian (son) etc. I am told of a Roque Madrid in the late 1600″s that may be related. I was instructed to look at a book written by a Catholic Priest on the prominent families of Mexico. I cannot locate such a book.

    Steve Madrid

  • Margaret Halsey says:

    Tim Sellars, I too have Mary Oven and Joseph Sellars in my family tree, My connection starts with William Oven and Ann Hudson of Tideswell.
    Margaret (Oven) Halsey.

    • Tim Sellars says:

      Hi Margaret I have only just seen this. How are you connected to Joseph Sellors and Mary Oven. I would love to compare notes.

  • John Williamson says:

    I’m descended from several Stoney Middleton families, through my maternal grandmother. On the Siddall side we have Godfrey (born Hathersage), his son Boniface (born Hathersage 1651), and his daughter Mary/Maria (born Hathersage 1677). Mary married Edward Outram (born Eyam 1676). I have got back to c1370 with the Outrams – Robert, who was born in the Netherlands, and then several generations before Edward, in various parts of North Derbyshire.
    I can go back to 1627 with the Mason family – Thomas, who was born in Baslow. Thomas’s son George was born in Stoney Middleton in 1664. George married Esther Bix, and their son was Robert (born 1696 Stoney Middleton) – he married Elizabeth Outram (born 1701, Grindleford).Their son Thomas was born in Stoney Middleton in 1729, and he married Hannah Hunt (born Stoney Middleton 1729). Their son Amos Mason (born 1770 Stoney Middleton) married Barbara Crooks (born 1773 Stoney Middleton). They produced Henry Mason (born 1797 Stoney Middleton), who was a carpenter, builder and glass and china dealer. By the time of the 1841 census he was living in Sheffield.
    If anyone needs any information I have I will be glad to share, and if anyone can add anything to my records I would of course be most grateful.

    • Janet M. Kirk (nee Hancock) says:

      Hi John. I too share the same descendancy via my paternal grandmother Polly Mason b.1876, (wife of Alfred Edwin Hancock (Snr)), the gt. granddaughter of Amos & Barbara Mason (leading back to the Outrams, Siddalls, etc).
      However, some of what you have posted does not tally with my family history research.
      Firstly, Mary Siddall who married Edward Outram. You have Mary as b. 1677, daughter of Boniface? That would make her 15 when she married Edward and yes, she could have been a minor, though she could equally have been born earlier, in which case there are other contenders for her parentage, even without a bpt record. Edward Outram was bpt 1670, not, as you have it, 1676.
      Secondly, the George Mason, b. 1664/5, son of Thomas. You have him married to Esther Bix, which I see from took place in 1688 in Hayes, Middlesex? Surely not feasible? There are other Esther contenders closer to home (Dbys).
      Thirdly, George & Esther’s son Robert, you have b. 1696. This son Robert died when he was about a month old and his burial was 27 May 1696. George and Esther had another son named Robert, bpt 22 Feb 1703 and he’s the one who married Elizabeth Outram, daughter of the above Edward & Mary.
      Fourthly, Robert & Elizabeth’s son Thomas. You have Thomas married to Hannah Hunt b. 1729 Stoney Middleton? Where did you get this from? There is no-one called Hunt in the Stoney Parish Registers.
      Fifthly, Thomas & Hannah’s son Amos. You have Amos’s wife Barbara Crooks as born 1773, Stoney Middleton. I can’t find a bpt for Barbara, but there’s no evidence she was born in Stoney, as again, there are no Crooks names in the PR. Being as Barbara Crooks/Mason/Cund(e)y died in 1849, the only reference we have to her place of birth is that in the 1841 census, she’s shown as born in the county (Dbys). Is that reliable, for we all know the enumerators made mistakes? At the time of her second marriage to John Cund(e)y, she had left Stoney and was living nearby at Calver (per marriage entry in the Bakewell PR).

  • Rae Martin says:

    Hi John……I just saw your message above. I have a picture taken of my 2 x’s Gr. Uncle William Henry Siddall’s 90th birthday party in 1942. He passed away 2 years later. Quite a few of his family members are in the picture. Most of the names of the people in the photo are on the back of it. There are a couple of “Outram’s”. If you would like, it would be my pleasure to send you a copy of the picture.

    My maternal Grandmother was Georgina Siddall who married John William Singleton Cutts and they immigrated to Canada in 1913 and 1914 and settled in Port Arthur, Ontario. My maternal Gr. Grandfather was Abraham Siddall who married Martha Browne. I have 3 Abraham Siddall’s in my direct line.

  • Alan Siddall says:

    Hi Glenn – hope the site is still active.
    I am a direct descendant of Phineas Siddall (1703-1791) married to Sarah??(1716-1798) and father of 8 children. I have tried for a number of years to trace details of Phineas father and mother in an effort to see their relationship (if any)to the Siddalls of Eyam – have you any further info on the subject?

  • Don Hammon says:

    Ragg Family- I am interested in any connection of the early Raggs to Stoney Middleton. Dennis, my ancestor, lived at Matlock and died there about 1705, having a son Samuel. If they go back further to Stoney I would be interested in the connection and the connection to the Whites. I found only two White wills, Thomas, died 1631 and Francis, his son, died 1649, both of Stoney. Any Help?

    • elizabeth frampton says:

      My family Granton Ragg was established in 1601 by a Richard R agg in ecclesfield, but we believe his family came from Stoney Middleton or thereabouts, do you now any Raggs who were cutlers and eventually worked in Sheffield. We are still thriving, today the firm is run by my niece Katie kirkby,. During the war my Mum Betty Ragg ran the business when the men were serving in the forces and I received a Women of Steel medal on her behalf. I would love to trace back the ragg cutlery connection. The family firm is now called Granton medical and Granton ragg. Thanks. Fid all this very interesting.

  • Glenn R. Trezza says:

    Hi, Mr. Hammon, I’ve had a look at both the Matlock Parish Register and also the Stoney Middleton records and my notes on the Ragg family at Stoney. Denis is unusual given name in the Derwent Valley and it would not surprise me if there were a connection between the Denis Ragg at Matlock and the Denis Ragg at Stoney, but I think the connection, if it exists, must be back in the 1500s prior to extant parish records for either locality. Or it could just be a coincidence that the name Denis appeared in both families. The two Denis Raggs appear to be close contemporaries age-wise, both born circa 1620 or so, and could be cousins, but I’ve found thus far no record to support that. Sorry not to be able to provide more confirmation for your hypothesis. Best wishes, Glenn T

  • Peter Cocker says:

    Any assistance in trocing the Cocker family in Derbishire to the Cocker family in Lancashire/Cheshire would be greatly appreciated. My own immediate family can definately be traced back to to my great grandfather Benjamin Cocker c 1831 in the Stockport area.
    Kind regards
    Peter B Cocker

  • Glenn Trezza says:

    Hi, Mr. Cocker. I had a look around and can’t find any connection to the Cockers of Stoney Middleton and environs. Was your Benjamin the one baptised 1831 at Werneth, Cheshire? If so, he was the son of a James Cocker, a cotton spinner born at Godley, Cheshire in about 1795-1796, according to several UK census records. Unfortunately, I can find no baptismal record for James Cocker, nor do I see any online family trees that mention him, so I’ve no defensible idea of who his parents might have been. But it looks like your Cockers were in Cheshire for some time. Was there family lore that they’d originally come from Derbyshire? There were also Cockers in the Wirksworth area, in Duffield, and in the town of Derby, in addition to those at Calver, Stoney Middleton, Eyam, and Hathersage, so there are a number of areas in Derbyshire from whence your line of Cockers may have originated. Sorry not to be of more definite help. Cordially, Glenn Trezza

  • Andrew Siddall says:

    Hi Glenn

    Thank you for the brilliantly written piece regarding the early families of Stoney Middleton – I found it a fascinating read. I was wondering if you could say more about Godfrey Siddall of Hathersage? You mention him being married four times, and having numerous offspring. I believe that I may be a descendant of his through one of his sons. Do you know the names of his wives, when they were married, and the names of their children etc? Thank you.

    Best wishes,

    Andrew Siddall.

    • Glenn Trezza says:

      Hi, Mr. Siddall,
      your personal email pops up in the copy of your comment that gets forwarded to me. I’ve responded there, but for others’ interest–Godfrey Syddall lived a long time and outlived three wives: Elizabeth ( ), mother of his eldest daughter Emma(t) (Siddall) Toothill; Mary ( ), mother of several unmarried daughters and several sons, of whom Boniface (married 2x) and Godfrey (married 3x!) left descendants. Wife number three was Bridget Camm of Norton (they had no children). Then, in the 1690s, when he was over 60, Godfrey married yet again to Alice (Hoosen or Hewson) Haberjam of Curbar, and he ended up there at the end of his life. Even though advanced in years, he had two more children by Alice, namely Margaret (died unmarried fairly young) and James (married Sarah Morten alias Taylor) and had a number of children.
      Godfrey’s 1701 will (he died that year, aged about 74 and was living at Curbar) notes his widow, Alice, daughters Emmet Toothill and Helen (aka Ellen) Siddall, and sons John, Boniface, and Godfrey. His tiny children, Margaret and James, aren’t mentioned but presumably because their mother Alice got almost everything. One wonders how Emmet, Ellen, John, Boniface, and Godfrey Jr, who each got only one shilling, felt about their young stepmother getting everything else! Alice, who was the widow of William Haberjam, by whom she had had two children, Elizabeth and William Haberjam, before she married Godfrey Siddall, then after Godfrey’s death, she married a third time, to William Atkinson of Curbar. who had just lost both his wife, Margaret, nee Barker, and his only daughter, Esther, an unmarried woman in her 30s. Interestingly, Alice (Hoosen) (Haberjam) (Syddall) Atkinson was Wm Haberjam’s 2nd or possibly 3rd wife, Godfrey Syddall’s 4th wife, and Wm Atkinson’s 2nd wife. This serial remarrying could happen a lot in the area. For instance, I have two ancestresses who married multiple times: Ann (Ragge) (Sherwin) (Baggaley) Morten, and Anne (probably born Moseley) (Sheldon) (Deakin) (Youle) Chapman. Ann Ragge had children by her first two husbands, and Anne Moseley had children by all four husbands. though only her Sheldon and Youle children lived to produce descendants of their own. Godfrey Syddall, one of the region’s most frequently married men managed to start lines of his family all over. Sons Boniface and daughter Emmett were in Hathersage, son Godfrey was based at Stoney Middleton, and son John and daughter Ellen and his two youngest children by Alice (Hoosen) Haberjam all ended up in Curbar. Godfrey himself, by the way, born circa 1627, died 1701, was probably one of the younger children of Boniface Syddall and Emmott Ashton. One of his eldest brothers was probably John Siddall of Eyam, father of Emmott Syddall of the “Emmott Syddal and Rowland Torre” story from the Eyam Plague. See my personal email to you re: more details about Godfrey Syddall’s wives and children. If you’d like to let me know your descent as you know it, I might be able to get you back as far as Godfrey (unless you’re my lot of Siddalls at Goatscliffe (now part of Grindleford), which are a related but separate line). Godfrey’s will noted that he was a “webster”, i. e., some form of cloth weaver, probably the old-fashioned way, by hand, as he died a little too soon to be swept up in the Industrial Revolution. Best.Glenn T

  • Andrew Siddall says:

    Hi Glenn

    Thanks so much for your reply – you’ve given me a treasure trove of information. There’s lots to digest so I will no doubt get back to you again once I’ve had the time to read everything properly (I am currently supposed to be working!).

    For now I’ll just say that to this point I had assumed that I was probably a descendent of Godfrey Siddall and Bridget Camm. My known ancestor is a Thomas (Thomae) Siddall (Syddall), born in the late 1670’s, I think in Norton. He married an Elizabeth Edge in Whittington in 1698 and had several children there. His two eldest children were named Bridget (Brigitta) and Godfrey, and I had assumed they had been named after their grandparents i.e. the Godfrey and Bridget that you mention. But, if Godfrey and Bridget had no children then that can’t be the case.

    Very interesting, and lots to think about. As I said, I will no doubt get back to you at a later date with more questions, if you don’t mind? Until then.

    Best wishes,


  • Glenn Trezza says:

    Andrew, well this thickens the plot (and I always say assumptions should always be re-examined, so…..I wonder if Godfrey did have at least the one child Thomas with Bridget Camm but for some reason didn’t mention Thomas in his will? I’ll have another look at my Siddall paperwork and see what I can decipher. I think it’s all the same Godfrey, as Bridget was buried in Baslow,, but he clearly moved around a bit. I’ll do some digging and see what’s there. Thanks for the new mystery to explore!. Best, Glenn T

  • elizabeth frampton says:

    Am interested in the famiy Ragg. In Sheffield my family firm Granton Ragg, cutlery and blade manufacturers, was started in 1601 by Richard Ragg, but we believe the Raggs in Stoney Middleton were part of our family. Anyhone know about Raggs in the Sheffield cutlery trade?J&W Ragg is now Granton medical and is run by my niece Katie Kirkby, my mother betty Ragg ran the business during the war and I received a Woman of Steel medal for her as she ran the firm when the Ragg men were serving in the forces. Anyone knowing Ragg cutlers please let me know thanks.

    • Glenn Trezza says:

      Ms. Frampton, just recently I’ve been doing some new research on the Raggs of Stoney Middleton (I may be a descendant of them myself.) I don’t see any connection to Richard Ragg of Sheffield circa 1601. The Raggs at Stoney preferred to use the male names Dennis, John, Thomas, and Francis, and in the late 1600s enoch and Joseph. No Richards that I can find, and no reference to cutler relatives in Sheffield. Joseph Ragg, bpt 1679 at St. Martin, Stoney Middleton, appears to have become a nail-maker in Sheffield by the 1710s. But he seems to be the first male Ragg from Stoney to end up in Sheffield, at least that I can find. There were also Raggs nearby at Calver, Curbar, and Baslow, in the Derwent Valley in Debyshire, fyi. Cordially, Glenn Trezza, Boston MA, USA

  • Paul orice Hartman says:

    Please show me the royal Hartman family in 1600s bc

  • Mary Piper, Portland Oregon says:

    Hope it’s okay for me to enter into this site: I believe my husband is descended from Siddalls and Camms. My records show that Bridget Camm (b 1850 in Hathersage) married Thomas Siddall (b 1845). Their son Thomas Siddall was (b 1678 Manchester ?) daughter Jane (b 1679 Hathersage), son Godfrey (b1681 Hathersage), daughter (b 1682 Hathersage). Son Thomas Saddall married Martha Murray (b 1681 Midlothian Scotland). This marriage produced a daughter, named Martha (b 1696 place unknown. My records show that the latter Thomas Saddall was involved in the 1715 Jacobean uprising and was beheaded, drawn, and quartered in 1716 in Kennington Common, Manchester. His widow and child then immigrated to Bucks County, Pennsylvania. Mother Martha joined the Quaker church and died in Bucks County in 1739. Daughter Martha Saddall married Samuel Harker of Pennsylvania. Is there a way to verify that Thomas Saddall was indeed involved in the 1715 Jacobite uprising.

    • Glenn R. Trezza says:

      Dear Ms. Piper,
      I’ve had a look at member family trees on that describe the data you mention above and also looked at online for mentions of the Thomas Siddall executed after the 1715/6 Jacobite Rebellion. Yes, there does seem to be a Thomas “Tom” Siddall who was executed for his part in the Jacobite rebellion. But the connection to the Siddalls of Hathersage, Derbyshire, appears to be a somewhat garbled mash up of some parish register data with unproven lining up of names that in fact don’t match the extant parish register data.. GODFREY Siddall of Yatehouse Farm, Hathersage, Derbyshire, lived 1648/9-1703, (son of Thomas Siddall buried 1695/6 Hathersage), and married 1676 St. Michael and All Angels Church, Hathersage, Anne Turner of Hathersage 1655-1723/4 (daughter of John and Jane ( ) Turner), and had children: Thomas circa 1677-1683; Jane 1679-, Mary 1681/2-, John 1684-,, Anne 1686/7-1690, James 1689-, Joseph 1696-1700, and Rebecka 1694/5-, married 1727 Hathersage Lyonell Smith. Godfrey above appears to have been a nephew of another Godrey Syddall circa 1625-1701, born Hathersage, died Curbar, Derbyshire, married four times-to Elizabeth ( ), then to Mary ( ), buried 1675/6 Hathersage, then married at Norton, Derbyshire, near Sheffield 1676 Bridget Camm (buried 1692, St. Anne, Baslow, Derbyshire, near Curbar): one son Thomas bapt 1677/8-1726, born at Ridgeway near Norton and Eckington, Derbyshire, just south of Sheffield, baptised at St. Michael/All Angels, Hathersage, who married Elizabeth Edge in 1698 at Whittington, Derbyshire, near Chesterfield, and lived and died at Whittington, where he and his wife Elizabeth nee Edge had at least eight children, starting with a Bridget and a Godfrey–a later son called Thomas was only 13 at the time of the Jacobite rebellion at Preston, Lancashire, and who survived to marry at Whittington, Derbyshire in the 1720s. Godfrey Syddall, after losing wife no. 3, Bridget Camm, married 4thly at St. Anne, Baslow, widow Alice (Hoosen) Haberjam, had two late-in-life children, Margaret and James Syddall, and left a detailed will in 1701; his widow Alice married a third time to Wm Atkinson of Curbar. I know of no “Lady Bridget de Camm” mentioned in the various trees on Ancestry, and the above is the correct ordering of the Syddall/Siddall children of the time. There were various Thomas Siddall’s baptised in the greater Manchester area in e.g., the 1670s, one of whom was probably more likely the later Tom Siddall, Jacobite rebel. The rest of the descent is perfectly plausible–that Tom Siddall’s widow Martha and daughter Martha fled the public shame of being the family of an executed rebel, and came to Pennsylvania and became Quakers. So if your husband is a descendant of the younger Martha Siddall, daughter of the rebel, yes, there really was a Tom Siddall executed in early 1715/6. But from all available records, i see no evidence that Jacobite rebel Tom Siddall was connected to the Siddalls in Hathersage.. Best wishes, Dr. Glenn Trezza .

  • Colette Gregory says:

    Can you help with Gregory,s from Calver stony Middleton and possible Eyam link favoured names Richard and John
    Colette Gregory

    • Glenn Trezza says:

      Hi, Ms. Gregory, if you can tell me a little bit more about where you’re starting from and/or whom you’re specifically looking for, I can review my Gregory research and let you know what I see. Cordially, Dr. Glenn Trezza (descendant of Calver and Eyam Gregory’s and cousin of Stoney Middleton Gregory’s)

  • Ryan Townley says:

    I am related to the Longson (or Longstone) family from Derbyshire. They may have originated from Longstone. Some sources say they did but only time will tell. I am currently researching.
    Also, the Kirk family (Kyrk) from Derbyshire.

  • Ryan Townley says:

    If anyone has any information regarding the parents of Nicholas Longson c. 1680, in Derbyshire. May of married Ann Kyrk. I would love to find where I might learn more.
    The surname variations are : Longsdon/Longstone etc. and are habitually from Longstone in Derbyshire.

  • Gary Allison says:


    Have you come across the following White.

    William White married #Elizabeth Norman, 20Nov1729 by Licence

    • # George White of Winster m. #Sarah Mower. Sarah’s parents

    #George Mower b.c. 1716 Derby
    • #Mary Watts b.c. 1714 Barley, Derby.
    #Mary Watts
    England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 28 December 1719 WINGERWORTH,DERBY,ENGLAND
    d. 28/1/1789 father: #Robert Watts
    Of Barley
    Sarah Mower b.c. 1745 d 24.05.1805)


  • Paul Toothill says:

    Hi Glenn, I have just come across and read your excellent article. I have recently come to believe my family name and line comes from Hathersage. I saw your reference to the Siddall family and believe that Emmatt Siddall (b 1648) married Richard Toothill (b 1637) in 1673 in Hathersage. Wondering if you have any information on the Toothill family in Hathersage in your archives? They seemed to major on the name Richard for males from what I can see. One of the later Richard’s seems to have decamped to Sheffield to become a metal smith. Many thanks

    • Glenn Trezza says:

      Mr. Toothill, I apologise–I don’t think that I caught this question from you from almost one year ago. Richard Toothill and Emmatt Siddall did indeed marry at Hathersage, and had children: Anne (married John Howe 1706 at Hathersage), Mary (married 1705, at Hathersage, John Brown of the parish of Bakewell), Richard (see below), Barnabas (1681-1699/1700, unmarried, buried at Hath), Emmatt (see below), Elizabeth (marr Joseph Broomhead 1724/5 at Hathersage), and John (see below), all baptised at St Michael and All Angels, Hathersage, between 1674/5 and 1690. Richard Toothill buried in 1691 and Emmatt Syddall Toothill as a widow in 1717, both at Hathersage.

      Richard Toothill Jr. (bpt 1678 Hathersage, bur 1739 Hathersage) married at Hathersage in 1705, Mary Wright (dates unknown), and had (all bapt at Hathersage between 1706 and 1726) children: Tabitha (married Jacob Dronfield in 1730 at Hath.), Timothy (1707-1781, buried at Hath, no evidence of marriage or children), Richard Toothill III (see below), Esther (married Robert Lee 1733/4 at Hath.), Mary (nothing further known), Grace (1716-1716/7), William, Elizabeth, Job, Anne, and a second Grace Toothill (I have no other information on these five youngest children, unfortunately). Richard Jr.’s sister, Emma(tt) Toothill bpt 1684, had an out of wedlock daughter Emma born and died 1717 (bpt and bur at Hath.), then married Thomas Sheldon in 1722 at Hathersage. Richard Jr and Emmatt’s youngest brother, John Toothill, bpt 1690, bur 1775 at Hathersage), married by 1720 an unknown wife and baptised children Hannah 1721 and George 1726 at Hathersage.

      Richard Toothill III, bpt 1709, buried 1784 Hathersage, married 1739 at Hathersage, Rachell Hawksworth (buried 1744/5 at Hath) and baptised at Hathersage between 1740 and 1744: John, Richard IV, and Sarah Toothill (married 1775 Hath, John Broadhead).

      Richard Toothill IV, bpt 1742, buried 1797, married circa 1775 or 1776, an unknown wife and baptised at Hathersage between 1777 and 1787 children Rachel, Mary, Richard V, Fanny, and Betty Toothill. One of these final Richard’s may have decamped to Sheffield (Richard IV or Richard V) as the Toothill surname disappears from the parish register of Hathersage after 1787 (births), 1742 (marriages), and 1797 (burials). I hope this helps and I apologise again for not catching this sooner. Cordially, Glenn Trezza, Boston, MA, USA

  • Ann Tonks says:

    Hi Glenn, can you help please in what to me is a puzzle. I have a Jacob Outrim born 24/01/1698 and died 1769 in Limpsfield, Surrey Then it gives his father as Isaac Outram born Limpsfield in 1670 died 1748 in Derbyshire. His father Thomas Outram 1645 – 1720 born and died in Limpsfield. His father Joseph Outram born 1627 in Surrey died in Derbyshire 1726
    All names and dates from Ancestry It just doesn’t make sense to me.
    Best Wishes, Ann

    • Glenn Trezza says:

      Ms. Tonks, I apologise that I appear that I never replied to your question. An understaff hospital and an overworked Dr. Glenn here is to blame. Honesty, this mishmash from Ancestry did not make sense to me either when I look it over. Outrams in Dronfield and in the Grindleford/Eyam/Stoney Middleton area of Derbyshire have been there since the 1500s and I know of know connection to Surrey or any Outram who died at the age of 99. I suspect Joseph Outram of Surrey “died 1726 in Derbyshire” at age 99 is a misread of some other Outram burial–some inexperienced genealogists on Ancestry copy and paste things “because the names match” but have no real sense of the geography involved (especially if not UK natives or afecionados) or the logic or illogic of certain connections, including chronological unlikelihood of certain events (.e.g., human women don’t go having children at age 7 or age 67), but a lot of folks copy and paste, copy and paste, without editing or checking what’s online with other data, so while I cannot swear to it, that’s my best guess about what you’ve seen on Ancestry about these Outrams (the most common spelling that I’ve seen, at least for the Derbyshire Outrams). My best wishes and apologies for not logging in this comment earlier, because I had meant to. Cordially, Glenn Trezza, Boston MA USA

    • Glenn Trezza says:

      Ms. Tonks, also apologies for the typos in my reply-I am rushing because I have to get back to work–I do know how to employ the past tense! 🙂 That should read “understaffed” and “looked” not understaff and look. Tee-hee, I know my UK cousins tease me that I speak pidgin English (i.e., “American”) ;0, but it’s not “patois” on my part–just overly fast typing, as I realise the number of messages that I thought I’d replied to but hadn’t, and need to get to. Cordially, Glenn T.

  • Darron Lingard says:

    Hi, I am researching the Lingard family from litton/tides well area 1700/1800s. I have gone back as far as 1771, William Lingard from Litton, cow worker. I’m wondering if there is any connection to Anthony Lingard from the same area who was gibbeted. It’s not a common name and litton is quite a small village, yours hopefully, D Lingard.

  • Glenn Trezza says:

    HI, Mr. Lingard, the answer to your question is a complex one. There are two William Lingards, baptised in 1769 and 1770, the former at Wormhill and born to yet another Anthony Lingard and his wife Elizabeth Lowe, and the other baptised at Tideswell to a John Lingard and Deborah Hill (John’s father was a first cousin once removed of the Anthony at Wormhill). I gather one of these was the chap who married Ann Platt and settled in Sheffield and was your ancestor? Yes, the Lingards in the Litton/Tideswell area were indeed all one family, so yes, you are related to the infamous Anthony Lingard and his younger brother William, transported to Australia for violent highway robbery (see the excellent book: Within Sight of the Gibbet, by Ian Morgan, 2009, Derby: Breedon Books, for the full history but be aware of the genealogical errors–infamous Anthony’s grandfather John circa 1734-1809 only married Alice Middleton, not his cousin Elizabeth Lingard–that was different John). Still an excellent resource, well-researched and well-written, available on Amazon very inexpensively. Also, the Lingards appear to have originated in the Chapel-en-le-Frith/Chinley area before a group of them “immigrated” to Tideswell and Wormhill-and the given names John, William, and Anthony appear often in the families at both places. There is one Lingard connection to Stoney Middleton–Ann Lingard bpt 1717 at Tideswell,married Joseph Newbo(u)ld and their daughter Ann Newbould married William Hallam of Stoney Middleton, a cousin of my direct Hallam line. Interestingly, their son William Hallam junior may have been the later schoolteacher incarcerated for apparent inappropriate behavior with students. Anthony Lingard’s paternal grandfather, John Lingard circa 1734-1809 is the “problem”. I have not been able to connect him with the rest of the family at Tideswell/Litton, so while he is almost certainly part of the family, where he fits in remains a mystery, so I can’t absolutely say how your ancestor William Lingard is notorious Anthony’s cousin.

    I do, however, have a speculation as to who Anthony’s vicitim, Mrs. Hannah Oliver, was. She was living at the toll bar at Wardlow Mires. As Wardlow was on the border of the chapelry of Great Longstone and the parish of Hope, and as her Oliver husband was apparently from the hamlet of Froggatt (part of the chapelry of Baslow), you would think that Hannah would have been buried at St. Peter, Hope; St. Giles, Great Longstone; or St. Anne, Baslow, but she was buried at St. Martin, Stoney Middleton. The one “Hannah” from Stoney Middleton who fits the bill age-wise and was not otherwise accounted for in the parish registers is Hannah Richardson bpt 1764, daughter of Wm. Richardson and his second wife, Elizabeth Howard (married 1759 at St. MIchael/All Angels, Hathersage). Wm. Richardson’s first wife was Joan Baddaley of SM, elder sister of the famous Hannah Baddaley of Lover’s Leap fame. So famous murder victim Hannah (??Richardson??) Oliver of Wardlow MIres may be the sort-of step-niece of Stoney Middleton’s other famous Hannah in local lore.

    Mr. Lingard, please let me know if I can be of further assistance. Cordially, Dr. Glenn Trezza in the USA (Italiano on my Dad’s side, Derbyshire/Sheffield lad on my Mum’s side).

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