A forum for discussion

It is my hope that this genealogy sub-page on the Stoney Middleton Heritage Centre Community Group website will fill helpfully an online gap about Stoney Middleton family history that is not covered by websites elsewhere. The DERBYSGEN listserve allows researchers to discuss genealogy information, but does not focus on Stoney Middleton specifically.

The websites of Ms. Lockie, Ms. Ward, Mr. Palmer, Mr. Spencer, and Mr. Youle are wonderful presenters of relevant historical and genealogical information, but none have a real forum for asking questions or sharing information directly, and none completely specialize in Stoney Middleton (though Ms. Lockie’s sites certainly come closest to same).

So perhaps this subpage of the SMHCCG website will serve as a space for questions and educated discussion.  Remember there are no bad questions, but some answers are bound to be more accurate than others, and that is the way of research.


29 Comments

  • Richard Coates says:

    I am researching Anthony Beeley (lived in Stoney Middleton and died in 1800) and his family. Anthony was my 5th Great-grandfather through his son Joshua (1755-1832), his daughter Nancy (1797-1858) became Bradshaw and moved to Eyam, her daughter Ann (1832-1898) became Dawson, her son Harry (1870-1940) and his daughter Doris (1908-1998) became Coates, my mother. Any information about Anthony’s parents, siblings and children would be most welcome. Best regards. Richard Coates

  • Glenn Trezza says:

    Dear Mr. Coates,
    Anthony Beeley was from Snitterton near Darley Dale and per the research of Janet Kirk nee Hancock (please credit her in any write up your doing as she’s the one who’s originally done this work), was the son of John Beeley and Dorothy Gorton and had siblings called Lydia and Thomas. Anthony came to Stoney upon his marriage to Martha Thornhill, probably the daughter of Joshua Thornhill of Stoney Middleton by the latter’s wife Mary Fletcher (Martha’s baptism is missing, but she may actually be the “Mary” Thornhill baptised at Stoney in 1732–there’s no burial for this child, and Joshua and Mary Fletcher) Thornhill clearly had a daughter called Mary baptised at Stoney in 1741 (I’m the first source that I know of for this supposition–footnoting me appreciated :). Joshua Thornhill is probably the source of the name of Joshua Beeley, his grandson, and Joshua and Mary (Fletcher) Thornhill are the only Thornhills with the name Joshua in the immediate family who were having children in the 1730s/1740s, so Martha is most likely their child.

    Anthony and Martha (Thornhill) Beeley had at least the following children: Joshua, Thomas, John (died young), Nancy, Alice, Martha, and a second John, plus, probably a daughter Dorothy Beeley (named for her paternal grandmother Dorothy (Gorton) Beeley), whose baptism was not recorded, but who was the ancestor of the Buxton family at Stoney.

    Hope this is helpful, Best wishes, your distant cousin,
    Glenn T.

  • Richard Coates says:

    Dear Glenn
    Thank you – most informative. I have notes from various 19th Century relatives who were much exercised by the February 1764 will of Thomas Gorton (I had been reading the handwritten notes as ‘Garston’), stating that he left 2/4 of his money to the children of his brother-in-law (sic) John and Dorothy Beeley and apparently naming them as Thomas and Anthony, their sons, and Lydia Fletcher and Alice Potter, daughters. Anthony also got the house and contents, and Thomas a pair of silver buckles. It states that (in 1764) Anthony Beeley was “of Stoney Middleton”.
    Do you have any knowledge of Thomas Gorton, who appears to have been quite a rich man? Also, do you have Anthony’s DoB and date of marriage to Martha?
    Your ‘cousen’ (as many of my old letters say!)
    Richard

  • Glenn Trezza says:

    Hi, Richard,
    like so many of Stoney M. descent we literally are “cousins” (in the modern sense of the word), albeit distantly. We’re both Thornhill and Hallam descendants, so related that way. Anthony Beeley (the name Anthony comes from the Gorton side, by the way, per the Darley Dale parish register) was baptised 2 Dec., 1731 at Darley Dale (per the parish register). . He married Martha Thornhill at Bakewell (par reg) on 14 August 1752 (he was “of Snitterton”, she “of Stoney Middleton”). About Thomas Gorton, I don’t know much, but he was bpt at Darley Dale (PR) on 3 Dec., 1682, son of Anthony Gorton (apparently of the hamlet of Okerside). Dorothy Gorton, later Mrs. John Beeley, was baptised at Darley Dale (PR, aka parish register) on 20 Jan’ry, 1687/8, also child of Anthony Gorton. I didn’t know about Dorothy’s daughter Lydia Beeley marriage to a Fletcher or daughter Alice Beeley Potter’s existence at all, so that’s new info for me and for my/our cousin Mrs. Kirk, and thank you (and I write about it all, you’ll be credited as the source of same via Thomas’s will). Hope the above is helpful. Best, Glenn T.

  • Richard Coates says:

    Thanks again. This is beginning to fill in some gaps, but I am still wondering how/why Thomas Gorton was a relatively rich man with a house and silver buckles, but presumably no offspring of his own to leave them to. He appears not to be the owner of Snitterton Hall, but maybe owned a nearby house or farm.
    Do you live in Derbyshire, or are you or your family emigres? Trezza is not a traditional Derbyshire name, I think?
    Best regards
    Richard

  • Glenn Trezza says:

    Hi, Richard, wish I could be more help about Thomas Gorton, but Darley families are not really my area of expertise beyond my interest in the Beeleys, so don’t know any more about him, I’m afraid. As I noted somewhere in my essays for this webpage, my mother’s family went from Stoney to Sheffield to the USA, all in the late 1800s, though we’ve been coming back to visit for four generations now and for a non-native, I know my way around Stoney and surrounding towns fairly well. My one regret is that so far I’ve never been able to time a visit to allow me to attend the annual Stoney well dressing. And, yes, I’m Italian on my father’s side, but there are lots of international marriages even in Stoney itself, e.g., the local ladies (both distant cousins of mine/yours) who married Latvian WW2 emigres. I always remind people interested in Stoney genealogy not to rule out the folks whose surnames are not Siddall or Mason or Goddard etc–with everyone spreading out across the globe, there are lots of folks, who are Stoney-descended through their mothers, who have non-Derbyshire-sounding surnames. By the way, Thomas Gorton’s niece Lydia Beeley actually married Edmund Kitchen (also spelt back then Kitchin) of Bonsall, whose-grandfather, also Edmund Kitchin, had immigrated there from Bubnell (the little hamlet that’s just across the river from Baslow proper). the surnames “Fletcher” and “Kitchen” can pass for each other in the confusing handwriting of the time. Thomas Gorton’s other Beeley niece Alice Beeley married Jonathan Potter of Darley. Both sisters had numerous children (the marriages for some reason took place in the 1740s at Alfreton, not in Darley or Bonsall, information courtesy of my/your cousin Mrs. Janet Kirk, nee Hancock). Best, Glenn T.

  • Richard Coates says:

    Thanks again. My source for the ‘Fletcher’ was some pencil notes written in the 1890s, so easy for the note-maker or me to get confused! I will let you know if anything else comes up.
    Meanwhile, would it be possible for me to contact Mrs Kirk? She seems to have a mine of information!
    Best regards, Richard

  • Glenn Trezza says:

    Hi, Richard, I’ll check with her. She’s very busy at present, so I’m not sure if she’s taking inquiries, but I’ll find out. Also, she mentioned she’s read your Mum’s book of memoirs and enjoyed it. Is that available for purchase? I’d love to read it myself.
    Best, Glenn T.

  • Richard Coates says:

    Thanks. The book is out of print at present, but I have acquired the rights to it from the publishers, and am intending to re-publish in the next few months, together with an earlier book of hers called ‘Tuppenny Rice and Treacle’ containing recipes and tips about housekeeping from my grandmother’s notebooks. There are occasionally copies of both books on Amazon.

  • Glenn Trezza says:

    Hi, Mr. Coates,
    I’ve purchased copies of both of your Mum’s books on Amazon and am awaiting their delivery from the UK. I look forward to them. Your and my cousin, Mrs. Kirk, has had a chance to get back to me and would be willing to chat with you if you’d still like to do so. On the “Contact Us” link on this SMHCCG website, send the webmasters your email. They’ll forward same to me and I’ll relay to Mrs. Kirk and she’ll get in touch with you via private email.
    With best wishes, Glenn T.

  • Richard Coates says:

    Dear Glenn
    Sorry for the slow reply but I have been travelling round Europe for the last few weeks and not accessing my Ancestry project. I will send the my email address now, as you requested.
    Best regards
    Richard

  • Karen Pinkney says:

    Hi, I am looking for my long lost relatives they are the Binks family.
    My Grand Farther was Percy Binks and I think he came from Sheffield but lived in Bradwell. I believe I have relatives in Stoney Middleton.

    One of my relatives was an Engineer and Survivor of the R101 airship.

    Does any of this sound familiar. Please get in touch I will send an email address.

    • Emilie scholey says:

      Strangely enough, we have just been looking at a picture of joe binks (that’s in a family photo album) this evening. Been doing a little research since and came across this thread of yours.

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    • Richard Horsley says:

      My 5 times Great Grandfather Joseph Swindells was born in Stoney Middleton in 1746. He married Mary Drable from Eyam. If anybody has any information on them or has them in their family tree I would love to hear from you.

      • Glenn Trezza says:

        Hi, Mr. Horsley,
        I have the following in my files, noted here in outline:
        William Swindel c. 1689-after 1741, mar 1726 Mary Mosley c. 1698-possibly buried 1761 (probably from Grindleford Bridge), parents of Joseph Swindhill bpt 3 Sept 1727 at SM, a miner, buried unk., married 6 Jan’ry 1761 at Eyam Mary Drable, a spinster of the parish of Eyam (dates not certain). I’ve only found two daughters for them: Mary 1764-1764 and Betty bpt 1765.

        Wm Swindel born circa 1689’s parentage is uncertain. He may be a younger son of George Swindell (c. 1640-1708) and Margaret White (c. 1650-1710/1), who had other children between 1674 and c. 1695.

        Your ancestor is definitely not Joseph Swindell bpt 1st May 1746 at SM, son of Joseph Swindell of SM and of Mary Swindell of Dronfield–that Joseph was buried an infant at SM on 15 Nov 1746.

        Hope this helps! Best, Glenn T.

  • Rebecca Jones says:

    Hi there,

    I am currently researching my family tree and traced back to Anthony Hancock and Sarah Blackwell in Stoney Middleton in the mid 1800s. I know Sarah is from Eyam. I would love more information on them and just wondered if you know anyone that can help.

    Thank you

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  • Charles Hallam says:

    Hi there,

    After much family research I have been able to trace my family back to John Hallam (1776-1844) a farmer from Stoney Middleton. He was married to Ann Hall (1776-1840) in 1797. I was wondering if anybody had any information on his parents or ancestors as I have reached a road block and the information on peoples ancestry family trees differs greatly. Any information at all on John or the Hallam family in general would be most appreciated.

    Kindest regards

    Charles Hallam

  • Ann Lowndes new Richardson says:

    My grandfather Robert John Hancock (Jack) married to Mary Martha Baggaley told me that I came from treacle town (Eyam). Can anyone throw light on this?

  • Alan Gantzhorn says:

    Greetings.

    One of my maternal 3rd great grandmothers was Emmet (or Emma) Hallam Barber, born in Stony Middleton around 1795. Her father was Cornelius Hallam. She married George Barber in 1819. At least three generations of my Barber ancestors lived their lives in Stony Middletopn. I am interested in learning all I can about my family connections in Derbyshire.

    • Glenn Trezza says:

      Hi, Mr. Gantzhorn, we’re ninth cousins! Emmett Hallam Barber’s father Cornelius Hallam of Stoney Middleton 1767-1845 married 1792 Mary Taylor, whom I believe was from nearby Calver (pronounced rather like “Carver”), and he was the son of Jonathan Hallam of Stoney Middleton (born 1743/4) and of Emmett Frost (born 1734, daughter of George Frost of Stoney Middleton and of another Mary Taylor). Jonathan Hallam in turn was the son of Cornelius Hallam (“the elder” if you will) and of Cornelius’s wife, nee Elizabeth Bowler (c.1719-1801, daughter of Christopher Bowler of Baslow and of Ellen Sarsen or Sarsay from Nottinghamshire. Cornelius Hallam the elder (1706-1766) was the youngest son of Jonathan Hallam of Stoney Middleton (1666-1708) by Jonathan the elder’s wife Mary Duckworth (pronounced “Ducker”, 1672-1724, also of Stoney M). Jonathan the elder’s next surviving brother, “Old Joseph” Hallam 1672-1739/40 was my seven greats-grandfather. George Barber, Emmett Hallam’s husband, himself has Hallam ancestry, and also descends from the Outrams of Grindleford Bridge and the Sellers family of Great Longstone (distinct from all the Sellers of Stoney Middleton). Emmett Hallam Barber had two elder sisters, Elizabeth (who married Samuel Bennett (a widower) and had a number of children, including twin sons in her late 40s!) and Phoebe (who married George Morton, had several daughters, and, unlike her elder and younger sisters, Elizabeth and Emmett, died fairly young). At least seven of Emmett Hallam Barber’s children left descendants into the 20th century (Edward Barber , William Barber, Ellen Barber Harmstone, Mary Barber Jackson, Henry Barber, and Martha Barber Burkimsher). Your surname sounds German-American, so if I had to guess–are you a great-grandson of William, Henry, or John Burkimsher, who all immigrated to New York City from Worksop, Notts., between 1904 and 1906? The Hallams were lead miners for generations, though my branch got into running grocery shoppes and public houses and also became farmers before setting up Hallam Bros Steelworks in Ecclesfield, South Yorkshire, to make parts for cottom looms and other machines. Hope all this helps, your 9th cousin (hey I’m friends with some 12th cousins–weirder things have happened! 🙂 .), Dr Glenn Trezza, Boston MA, USA

      • Alan Gantzhorn says:

        Dr. Trezza,
        What a pleasure it is to learn that we are ninth cousins. And thank you for the gold mine of information that you supplied in your message. It has certainly opened new avenues for genealogical exploration. I am grateful, especially in these days of pandemic restrictions, when it looks like my dreams of visiting Derbyshire will have to be postponed a while.
        I am descended from Edward Barber. His son, George Henry Barber emigrated to the United States in 1901 and settled in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. His daughter Alice married my maternal grandfather, Stephen Andrew Berger; and my mother Charlotte was their youngest child.
        Gantzhorn is a German name; but I’m afraid I know of no connections to the Burkimshers. My paternal great grandfather was Apolph Otto Gantzhorn, a jeweler who came to America in the early 1880s and settled first in Pittsburgh, married Katherine Haffner in 1886, and then moved to Eutaw, Alabama where he was a partner with another German American in a jewelry store. (They also sharpened knives and other tools and sold musical instruments). He died tragically in Eutaw in 1892, and the family moved back to Pittsburgh. I am fairly certain the the Gantzhorns came to America from Wurttemberg in southern Germany.
        Two of my other grandparents were also German Americans, Stephen Berger who I mentioned earlier. His father and mother emigrated from the Saarland to Pittsburgh in the 1860s. My father’s mother’s family, the Rohrkastes, came to America from Hanover shortly before the American Civil War, likewise settling in Pittsburgh.
        Thank you again for your very informative post, and it is a pleasure to connect with a ninth cousin! 🙂
        Alan Gantzhorn
        Demopolis, Alabama USA

  • Glenn R. Trezza says:

    Mr. Gantzhorn, you’re welcome. Yes, I have Alice Barber and Stephen Andrew Berger in my notes on Barber descendants but hadn’t traced their descendants. Nice to be able to place your family within the larger tree. Yes, us Americans can’t get near the UK right now unless we’ve time to take two weeks for quarantine upon arrival in Britain. When you can, Derbyshire is well worth a visit (or many!) I’ve been lucky enough to go many times and it’s exciting to meet relatives, see the sites (world famous and locally famous both), and take in the natural beauty of the place. And there’s always more to see and do than there is time. My best wishes, Glenn T (aka Ninth Cousin Glenn)

  • Anthony Mottram says:

    I am researching my ancestors who lived and worked in Stoney Middleton in the 1800’s.
    James Mottram was my great/great/great grandfather who died in 1825 and is buried in St Martins Churchyard along with Mary his daughter and 7 children of Joseph and Amy Mottram who all died in their infancy.
    Joseph Mottram was a plasterer and slater and listed in the Stoney Middleton Chapelry.
    I would like to find out where they all lived if anybody has any records of that period.
    Anthony Mottram

  • Glenn Trezza says:

    Hi, Mr. Mottram,
    you may have all this already, but in case this helps:
    Abbreviations:
    PR=parish register
    BT=bishops’ transcripts (of parish registers)
    SM=Stoney Middleton

    Joseph Motteram of Beeley married Bakewell (PR) 20 August, 1782, Hannah ( ) Holme of Beeley, a widow. I am afraid that I have not been able to find the correct marriage of a Mr. Holme or Holmes to a Hannah ( ) to say with any sense of probability the correct maiden
    surname of Hannah ( ) (Holme) Motteram. I don’t know, but I think there is a chance that Joseph Motteram could have come to Derbyshire from Cheshire—there are several Joseph Motterams who are sons of men called Peter Motteram, baptised at several locales in Cheshire (see http://www.familysearch.org and http://www.findmypast.co.uk, for potentially relevant baptism citations). I have not been able to locate correct burial citations either for Joseph Motteram or for Hannah ( ) (Holme) Motteram, who did call one of their sons Peter (though Peter could have been the name of the father or of a brother of Hannh ( ) (Holme) Motteram as well.
    Children:
    James Motteram, bapt as James “Mottershaw” (sic), son Joseph/Hannah, bpt 18 Jan’ry, 1784 Beeley (PR), buried 22 Sept., 1825, aged 41 years, Stoney Middleton (PR).
    Married Beeley (PR) 26 October 1806 Susannah Broomhead of Calver, bpt 7 Jan’ry, 1787 Baslow (PR), daughter of William Broomhead of Calver, bpt 20 March, 1742/3 Baslow (PR), buried 1st Aug., 1813, aged 70 and of Calver, Baslow (PR), will proved 15 Oct., 1813 at Bakewell (see websites of Rosemary R. Lockie, including
    her “parent” website: http://www.wishful-thinking.org.uk), and of Ann Glossop of Calver, bpt 23 June, 1745 Baslow (PR), buried 10 Feb., 1811 Baslow (PR), daughter of Henry Glossop of Calver (widower of Martha Gregory of Calver (married 8 Apr., 1735 Bakewell (PR), Martha buried at Baslow (PR) on 12 March, 1739 at Baslow (PR) “of Calver)) by Henry Glossop’s second wife, Sarah Wyld of Calver, whom Henry had married at Bakewell (PR) on 14 May, 1744. The
    widowed William Broomhead remarried to Ann Glossop, daughter of Henry Glossop and of Sarah Wyld, at Bakewell (PR) on 5 Sept., 1774. Willam Broomhead was the widower of Susannah Widdowson of Chesterfield (bpt 19 Jan’ry, 1745/6 Chesterfield (BT), daughter of Francis Widdison and of Mary Holmes, who had married at Chesterfield (IGI) on 5 June, 1724.(see Ms. Lockie’s websites as well). Susannah (Widdowson) Broomhead was buried 1st June, 1773 at Baslow (PR) and had married William Broomhead on 10 Nov., 1767 at Baslow (PR). It was this Susannah, her father’s late first wife, for whom Susannah (Broomhead) Motteram was apparently called.
    Willam Motterham, son “John” (sic)/Hannah, bpt 9 June, 1786 Beeley (PR)
    Jane Motteram, dau Joseph/Hannah, bpt 8 Feb., 1789 Beeley (PR)
    Peter Motteram, son Joseph/Hannah, bpt 18 Feb., 1791 Beeley (PR)

    Children of James and Susannah (Broomhead) Mottram:
    Joseph Mottram, son James/Susan, bpt 2 Aug 1807 Baslow (PR) “of Calver” Married 11 Oct., 1824 Hathersage (PR) Amy Broadhurst, daughter of Samuel Broadhurst of Hartington, later of Bakewell.
    Children:
    James Mottram, son Joseph/Amey, born circa 18 Oct., 1825,
    buried, aged 10 days, 26 Oct., 1825 SM (PR).
    Susannah Mottram, dau Joseph/Amey, born 1827-1828, buried,
    aged two years, 7 Mar., 1830 SM (PR).
    William Mottram, son Joseph/Amey, born circa 9 April., 1832,
    buried, aged 11 days, 20 Apr., 1832 SM (PR).
    Alfred Mottram, son Joseph/Emma (sic), bpt 13 Oct., 1833 SM
    (PR), father a “slater”, buried 15 Dec., 1833, aged about eight
    weeks, son Joseph/Amey, SM (PR).
    John Mottram, son Joseph/Amey, bpt 7 June, 1835 SM (PR),
    father a “slater”, buried 11 June, 1835, aged nine days, son
    Joseph/Amey, SM (PR).
    Hannah Mottram, dau James/Susannah, bpt 8 Oct., 1809
    Stoney Middleton (PR)
    Ann Mottram, dau James/Susan, bpt 8 Oct., 1812 Baslow (PR)
    “of Calver Bridge” [n.b., perhaps born circa late 1811/early
    1812, but not baptised til Oct 1812??]
    William Mottram, son James/Susanna, bpt 18 Apr., 1813 SM
    (PR), father a “slater of Eyam”
    Mary Mottram, dau James/Susanna, bpt 31 Jan’ry, 1819 SM
    (PR), father a “slater”, buried 21 Aug., 1842, aged 22 years, SM
    (PR)
    Thomas Mottram, son James/Susanna, bpt 29 July, 1821 SM
    (PR) father a “slater”

    As Beeley was and is a village affiliated with the Chatsworth estate,my suspicion is that maybe Joseph Motteram came from Cheshire to the Derwent Valley area in Derbyshire to do slating/roof-tile work for buildings owned by the Dukes of Devonshire, married local widow Hannah Holme, and stayed in the area? As his son James Mottram married Calver-born Susannah Broomhead, that would probably explain the relocation to the Stoney Middleton/Eyam area–Stoney Middleton is just up the road from Calver and Eyam is up the hill just to the northwest of Stoney Middleton (one can walk from Calver Sough through Stoney and on up to Eyam pretty easily, for instance. Assuming no children using the maiden surnames of Mottram mothers, I’m presuming you might be a descendant of either Thomas or William Mottram, surviving sons of James and Susannah (Broomhead) Mottram? If so, we may be distant cousins through common Glossop and/or Wyld(e)/Wild(e) descents. I hope that the above is of some use to you. Cordially, Dr Glenn Trezza, Boston, MA, USA (yes, Italian-American on Dad’s side, but a Stoney Middleton/Ecclesfield Hallam on my Mum’s side, and author of the Ancestry pages here for the Stoney Middleton Heritage Center Community Group)

  • Anthony Mottram says:

    Hi Glenn,
    Thank you for all that information, as you suspected I was aware of most of it but it was good to read your very explicit details of the Mottram Family and I have picked up several dates that I didn’t have.
    I am a descendant of William Mottram (1813) and Rebecca Young.
    Their son Joseph (1857) married Emily Hallam and they had 2 children George (1885) and Elizabeth.
    George is my Grandfather and he moved to Withington in Manchester at the age of 13 and became an errand boy. He later started his own business as a Green Grocer.
    Thank you so much for replying to my query.
    Kindest regards
    Anthony Mottram, Sale, Cheshire. UK

  • Glenn Trezza says:

    Hi, Mr. Mottram, you’re welcome re: the info. Glad you got a few new dates out of it. And you’re a Hallam descendant too–just curious–was your great-grandmother Emily Hallam from the Derwent or Hope Valleys? (I can’t place her with my lot, but there were a lot of Hallams in the area!). Best, Glenn T.

  • Anthony Mottram says:

    Hi Glenn
    My Emily Hallam was from Church Broughton in Derbyshire according to the Census’s. I have not attempted to trace her origins.
    Thank you once again.
    Kindest regards
    Anthony

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